particularly since the conservatives have been crying out for leadership for many, many years and he filled that void. >> but, i mean, he signed up some, you know, a lot of people critics of his will say look, that's fun -- potential fundraising pool for him, so they understand what he got out of that but led them to where? actually came out of all this? >> well, don't be so scenical. there is a movement out here in the real world, anderson, people are desperate to stop this run away federal spending. they are desperate to get rid of obama care. they are desperate for solutions to the country's problems and he has provided all of that for the american people. unfortunately, because of the fight, the american people are taking it in the shorts. >> mark, you're from texas, as well. is that how you see it? did ted cr accomplish something?